My understanding is that ability to use Oz with Microsoft Visual Studio
for .Net pretty much falls out of integration of the Oz language with
.Net(which seems like it might be a smaller project than writing an
entirely new IDE). This _seems_ by rumor to be happening somewhere.
It might be interesting to find out how high a priority .Net integration
is and how much support can be obtained from Micro$oft for this effort.
Question: What sorts of things are really needed to make Mozart/Oz
work well beyond the kinds of capabilities found in Visual Studio for
.Net? Oz does things that more conventional languages just don't do.
Is there need for appropriate enhancements to conventional IDE's to
really show Oz in the best light?
RJB
>From: Mikael Kindborg <mikki@ida.liu.se>
>Good thoughts and ideas. I am pretty much in the same situation,
>depending on Windows as my primary OS. Your IDE plan sounds
>promising. However, I would go for writing the IDE mainly in Oz.
>/Micke
>
>At 11:16 2001-01-30 -0500, Bob Calco wrote:
>>As a corporate prisoner to the Windows operating system, I do find Emacs
>>conceptually interesting but not very productive as a development
>>environment. When you're used to Windows apps, Emacs' paradigm is a bit
>>disorienting. Plus, its windows implementation is pretty clunky. You can
>>always tell when Unix folks port programs to Windows that they have a
>>certain disdain for it, and that shows in the end product. For Windows at
>>all events, I'm willing to build an IDE with all the bells and whistles
>>that
>>developers on Windows are used to. While it wouldn't be cross platform as
>>an
>>IDE, it would certainly highlight the strengths of Oz and minimize the
>>Unix-y aspects of Emacs that would turn a lot of Windows developers off. I
>>can also work on integrating Oz with COM and COM+, and eventually maybe
>>even
>>.NET. I'd probably build the IDE in Delphi or C++ Builder, both of which
>>are
>>being ported by Borland to Linux. They'll include a cross platform GUI
>>library, CLX, which means the code would compile as written on both
>>platforms, but for the time being the first Windows version of the IDE can
>>be a straight Windows implementation. I of course would provide the IDE
>>free
>>with source for those who want it, and I can maintain a little "Windows"
>>corner of the website.
>>
>>BUT I need to get more familiar with Oz first (something I am determined
>>to
>>do because I think it is a VERY promising language for longer term
>>projects
>>I'm involved in)... and I'm in the middle of a development effort now
>>that's
>>very intense, AND I'm (supposed to be) writing a book for Macmillan
>>Technical Publishing on Automated Software Testing... so give me some time
>>to get started.... any encouragement would be helpful in getting started
>>"sooner rather than later" though I get the feeling that I'm addressing a
>>crowd that's not exactly Windows-friendly... ;)
>>
>>Someday, I'd like to be the "Wizard of Oz" on Windows... for what it's
>>worth. For an analogy, consider the work of Mark Hammond in the Python
>>(www.python.org) community. He works for ActiveState (www.activestate.com)
>>and is primarily responsible for extending Python on Windows to do things
>>like COM, ISAPI integration, and so on.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Bob Calco
>>Centreville, Virginia, USA
>>rcalco@cortechs.com
>
>
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